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Old 12/11/2017, 05:39 PM   #26
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lol .... Now if they were blue pussycats ....


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Old 12/11/2017, 08:59 PM   #27
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I donít think many people order damsels from LA. Only if they need a few dollars to reach certain total.
Thatís probably correct but I have to imagine tons of stores order them from QM. My damsels are probably my favorite fish in my tank aside from the Choati wrasses. Hawaiian flame angels, copperband, latz clowns, moyeri wrasse and the damsels are my favorite. Have a couple tuxedo damsels on the way from LA now.


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Old 12/12/2017, 10:06 AM   #28
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I've actually never kept azures - though LA notes them as larger than the YT (though not by much ). Maybe I will try them instead.
Fishbase lists them both as 7.0cm TL but I've never seen an azure much bigger than 2" whereas I've seen plenty of yt nearer 3". They are still basically the same damsel in a slightly different colour scheme but I prefer the slightly smaller, more yellow appearance of the azure (that and I've never had anything approaching a 450 gallons so space is limited).
There is a lovely species which is a mix of the two, has the same temprement and is becoming more common. https://www.reeflex.net/tiere/3156_C...ra_arnazae.htm


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Old 12/12/2017, 11:24 AM   #29
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lol .... Now if they were blue pussycats ....
Iím sure you get the codes too but 15LA2DAY is 15% off over $199


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Old 12/12/2017, 12:04 PM   #30
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In my experience you would be fine adding a large number of that genus without issue. I have 2 talbots, 1 springeri, 1 tracy, 1 cyanea, and 1 roland's damsel in my 100g. In my 360 I have a similar mix with a tuxedo as well. They are hardy, colorful fish that are usually pretty inexpensive. The captive bred ones are pretty reasonably priced too, I have 2 of the talbots and 3 of the azure and they've all done really well for me so far.


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Old 12/12/2017, 12:26 PM   #31
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In my experience you would be fine adding a large number of that genus without issue. I have 2 talbots, 1 springeri, 1 tracy, 1 cyanea, and 1 roland's damsel in my 100g. In my 360 I have a similar mix with a tuxedo as well. They are hardy, colorful fish that are usually pretty inexpensive. The captive bred ones are pretty reasonably priced too, I have 2 of the talbots and 3 of the azure and they've all done really well for me so far.
Yea, Iím really impressed they are captive breeding them for the price they are charging. No chance they are making much, if any, profit on them. If live aquaria is selling them for $10 I canít imagine the breeder is getting more than $2-3 for them.


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Old 12/12/2017, 12:33 PM   #32
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Yea, Iím really impressed they are captive breeding them for the price they are charging. No chance they are making much, if any, profit on them. If live aquaria is selling them for $10 I canít imagine the breeder is getting more than $2-3 for them.
I picked up a captive bred rabbitfish for $40-50 on DD as well. It seems like some breeders are starting to achieve some pretty impressive economies of scale with their operations.


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I picked up a captive bred rabbitfish for $40-50 on DD as well. It seems like some breeders are starting to achieve some pretty impressive economies of scale with their operations.
Must be. I guess once you get the system down it probably gets pretty streamlined. Still seems like it would cost them more in food than what they are making on the damsels.


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Old 12/12/2017, 05:28 PM   #34
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Iím sure you get the codes too but 15LA2DAY is 15% off over $199
Was on business travel today so didn't see ..... thx for the heads up.


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Old 12/19/2017, 05:29 PM   #35
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If you end up with a good sized group, keep us updated please. I'm setting up a 210 and was wanting to try a group of Anthias as well, but the yellow tail damsel route is very intriguing. I really like my little yellow tails.

I have 3 yellow tails in my 40 breeder and they get along fine, though I'm not sure how much of that is because my Coral Beauty Angel tries its hardest to terrorize them. The damsels barely even acknowledge each others existence.


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Old 12/19/2017, 08:44 PM   #36
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I have 15 in quarantine. Will see how they do.


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Old 02/08/2018, 10:35 PM   #37
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So I ended up getting 13 of them through QT. One stayed in my son's tank and the other 12 were added to the display. Content the long time resident, that makes for a baker's dozen. We shall see how they do. If sucessful, will probably look to add more.


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What did you end up putting in or did I miss the damsel type/family?


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Old 02/09/2018, 08:30 AM   #39
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I've actually never kept azures - though LA notes them as larger than the YT (though not by much ). Maybe I will try them instead.
Interestingly LA now lists azures and yellow tails as the same size -- both 2.75.


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What did you end up putting in or did I miss the damsel type/family?
I guess I never actually said. I went with the standard yellow-tail damsels because that's what LA had.


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Old 02/09/2018, 09:06 AM   #41
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Interestingly LA now lists azures and yellow tails as the same size -- both 2.75.
So they do .....


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So they do .....
I've often wondered where LA (or anybody really) gets their "Max. size" numbers from. Or now, what makes them change one? Overall, my stocking plan is to stick with smaller fish -- mostly because of my philosophy that I'm trying to create a small model of a real reef. I feel that smaller fish help create that illusion. So when deciding which damsel to have a group of, I was leaning towards the yellowtail -- mostly because they were listed as smaller, even if only slightly. Now I guess I can go with the Azures which I love!


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I guess I never actually said. I went with the standard yellow-tail damsels because that's what LA had.
Thanks. I had three azures in my 40 breeder. They got along for a while then I think two paired up and that was it for the 3rd. Those two stayed together for over 2 years then one day I had a bacteria bloom or something and both almost died. Once everything recovered (I didn't actually lose anything) they started to fight for some reason and that lead to another death. Odd really because they became a pair/mated. Go figure.

In my 210 that I just started the cycle once it is done and ready to go I'll be adding some damsels at the same time. I'll be going with a mix of Talbots, Tracey's, and Azures. I may add a Tuxedo in there since they are all members of the chrysiptera family which I believe are typically more mellow. At least with the Azure and Talbots I've owned in the past.

With 150 lbs of Pukani I have plenty of safety zones for them


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I have come to believe that the 'secret' to a sustainable group of damsels, chromis or pseudoanthias is to feed the tank a lot. Mine get fed 3-4 times a day not including the sheet of nori for the herbs. When one of my QT tank becomes available again I probably will add a group of azures also. Right now all six of them are inhabited.


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I'll have to see what or how many fish I have that have blue and yellow in them. I'm considering Starcki's also in lieu of Azures maybe. More expensive though and sometimes hard to find. They are larger and somewhat remind me of a pygmy angel and I'm already taking / moving my coral beauty in.


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Old 02/11/2018, 01:28 AM   #46
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All starcki lost bright colours in my tank and they are may be more aggressive than others.
I would prefer smaller ones in the future which are less aggressive

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Old 02/11/2018, 09:41 AM   #47
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I've had aggression problems with Starki also. YT (never kept azure) are the only damsel I have kept that i still will.


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Starki are aggressive huh? That is good to know - especially around the color fading.

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Old 02/11/2018, 09:07 PM   #49
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Was looking to get a bunch to act as a school


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i got 6 starckis. Will update the progress.


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