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Old 04/02/2012, 02:39 PM   #51
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In Philly waiting for pick up! Yeaa





As the tank is 96x36x23 I was originally going to pick it up in my pick up (ABF would have loaded it). I would have driven it home and wait for my two kids ages 17 and 21 bring some friends loaded with testosterone to move the tank. However, as the crating is soo massive the 48" width crate probably would not fit in my 48" width truck (too close!).

Contacted moving company. Dream is coming home APRIL 4, 2012.


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Old 04/03/2012, 01:51 PM   #52
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subscribed. thinking about going with miracles for my tank upgrade


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Old 04/04/2012, 12:19 PM   #53
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Great build so far. It's the 4th, where's the tank? lol


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Old 04/04/2012, 11:26 PM   #54
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Old 04/04/2012, 11:28 PM   #55
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Old 04/05/2012, 01:21 AM   #56
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That is awesome! Jealous!


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Old 04/05/2012, 08:10 AM   #57
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Prior to tank being placed on the stand, the stand builder made sure it was level and used numerous non compressing shims.



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Old 04/05/2012, 08:13 AM   #58
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The stand builder also placed several temporary braces to help prevent the stand from moving during the process of placing tank on.



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Old 04/05/2012, 08:59 AM   #59
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Some education:
There are many google hits and discussions on the Internet regarding which is clearer-acryllic or starphire glass. I had never came across the info
I would like to share with you until I called Miracles in a panic.

This is a pic looking through the 72" of 3/4 inch acryllic tank that I recently sold. It extremely clear.


This is a pic looking through the 96" of 3/4 inch starphire tank. It shows the green tint next to the perfectly clear triangular brace on the top.


This is a pic of a website sent to me from Miracles. It is the glass company in pa (huray) that miracles used for my tank. It shows the difference between starphire and regular glass- by comparing the hues at different lengths, not by looking through the glass into the tank. Hope that makes sense. So yes my glass is starphire and is clearer than regular glass and just as clear as acryllic.

Here is the link which explains it better than I can.
http://www.ppg.com/en/newsroom/news/...rGuide_4pg.pdf


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Old 04/05/2012, 09:16 AM   #60
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Glad to see its home safely. That tank must have been very heavy!


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Old 04/05/2012, 09:58 AM   #61
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Glad to see its home safely. That tank must have been very heavy!
Tank with crate was 1000 pounds


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Old 04/10/2012, 06:07 PM   #62
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Tank looks awesome. I just received mine from Miracles. It's a little smaller 72x30x22. Hoping to get it on the stand this weekend. Congrats.


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Old 04/13/2012, 09:47 AM   #63
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Tank looks great. And who says we don't have a global economy. From Pennsylvania to Canada and back.


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Old 04/13/2012, 10:21 AM   #64
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Congratulations on the tank.... it looks great. My only regret with my Miracles tank is not going bigger. I went 3/4" starphire rimless as well.

My tank was transported from Canada to South Louisiana...


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Old 05/01/2012, 09:48 AM   #65
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Prior to choosing Miracles for my new tank build, I did some research comparing quality, price, customer service, location (for shipping reasons) and reputation.
I could have bought cheaper with another company and risked the possibility of poor quality. I could have saved money on shipping with another company but in the end pay much more for product itself. This is true for most people I guess and i'm not saying anything remarkable. But, Miracles was the best choice for me and although I have read of complaints (such as a failed external overflow),I also read how they responded and resolved the issue.

And, I'm not here to speak badly about Miracles but I do feel it is important for others to know of my experience both good and bad and possibly learn from my experience.

I have several issues that I will document here. I hope in the end everything will work out and building my dream will not be a nightmare.

Issue #1-This really is'nt a problem with Miracles at all but a experience I had with paypal. Miracles does not accept credit or debit cards which I had not known. I used my paypal account and money was sent for the 50% deposit. Miracles actually received the funds. Then, Paypal proceeded take the money
back believing it was fraudulent due to the high amount and it being international. So I had to wait 5 days for Paypal to receive the money from my bank before it could be resent to Miracles.

Issue #2-It was always my understanding that acrylic tanks require a flat board and the white Styrofoam under neath but glass tanks with the bottom trim do not. I WAS WRONG. Miracles does not advertise this on their website. It was never mentioned in multiple phone contacts or emails. Most importantly it is not communicated in the Miracles warranty/Aquarium set-up sheet that arrives with the aquarium. In fact, Miracles recommends the RC DIY stand plans which do not include the top flat board and Stryofoam. When the tank was placed on the stand, a large portion of the front of the tank did not make contact with the stand. I contacted Miracles immediately and they said it was normal, that when filled the tank will settle onto the stand. I was not advised at this point for the need of board and stryofoam. It wasnt until Miracles arrived at my house that they advised me that I need 1/2 inch plywood and 5/8 "white" stryofoam.

The issue here is NOT that the tank is not perfectly square. For a tank this size, some twisting is normal.

Fortunately the tank is still empty but I still need to lift 800 pounds of glass while board and styro is put in place.

This pic shows the 1/8 inch space



Issue #3-The tank arrived with multiple, yes multiple scratches. At first, I thought maybe the movers caused the scratches although I could not imagine how as I was present the full time during the uncrating and move into the house. I did not witness them do anything that could have caused the scratches. Then I found scratches (the deepest ones) on the interior bottom pane. With this find I knew the movers did not cause them as this was never handled. The scratches are located on the interior and exterior bottom pane. No big deal, nonetheless unexpected. But there were three separate areas of scratches on the exterior front pane. Two areas were single scratches and one area includes multiple scratches. There were no scratches on side or rear panels.

One of many scratches on bottom pane:


Front pane scratches:


Issue #4-Trapped Gas Dots. Looking down (ceiling to floor) the front pane a handful are visible. One is of minor concern as it is very close to the front surface but one is a major concern as it is an open dot at the surface. Trapped gas dots are inherent in heavy glass. Trouble is I have one that is very visible:


Miracles was contacted regarding my concerns. At first, the front pane marks were believed to possibly be bumps and not scratches. A combination of razor blades, isopropyl alcohol, whitening toothpaste, Turtle Wax polishing compound, 0000 steel wool and drilling action confirmed they were in fact scratches. I was able to greatly reduce the visibility of the scratches but not completely. I actually caused many micro swirly "hairy" scratches in my attempts. Miracles came to the house when they had an install 60 miles from where I am located. They used a special felt wheel drill bit and polishing compound.

All the scratches on the front pane were 97.5% removed. I need to look for them and if the lighting and angle are correct, can still see remnants of the scratch. Working on the scratch more could cause distortion of the glass.

Nothing can be done about the trapped gas dot close to the surface. It is hardly visible at all.

However, the trapped gas dot that is at the surface is now worse than before. When Miracles attempted to resolve this issue, the heat from the drilling caused minor glass distortion on the exterior and interior. So, whereas before I just had the dot, I now have a dot and distortion. This is especially visible as I look into the tank from the top and out through the front pane. The best way I can describe it is it gives the same effects as a funny mirror or the edge of a fisheye camera lens. I AM HOPING that once the tank is filled with water, this view will not even be possible. The other problem that I am optimistic at resolving is that whereas before the trapped gas dot was clear, is now white and visible from across the room! (just the surface dot is white, not the distortion) I think maybe some of the polishing compound may be stuck inside? I have tried isopropyl alcohol but have not been able to remove it.

So where am I now in building my dream?
I need to:
A) get the board and stryo placed under the tank
B) hopefully remove the "white" out of the trapped gas dot at the surface
C) pray that the distortion will not be visible once tank is filled


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Old 05/01/2012, 07:06 PM   #66
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Does anyone have any experiences with "popped" trapped gas dots at the surface?


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Old 05/01/2012, 07:46 PM   #67
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I spoke to Miracles today about ordering a very similar tank. Would you mind poating some close ups of the seamsom your tank. I am anal when it comes to seams, i hate any air pockets and the silicone has to be perfect!

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Old 05/01/2012, 08:07 PM   #68
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Ouch!

Well looking at the pictures you posted, the first one after it's uncrated does show the movers pushing it across the truck bed, while yeah they do have a moving blanket, if there's any sort of speck of anything on that blanket with that weight it could easily scratch, the scratch pattern does look like a rotational scratch (pushed, rotated and pushed a different direction).

Also the picture of it on the deck does in fact show it face down, I actually cringed when reading through this, and again smallest speck could do it.

Of course these could only explain exterior scratches not interior.


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Old 05/02/2012, 06:56 AM   #69
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I spoke to Miracles today about ordering a very similar tank. Would you mind poating some close ups of the seamsom your tank. I am anal when it comes to seams, i hate any air pockets and the silicone has to be perfect!

Thanks,

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Adam,
I am happy with the seams but you may not be. I would suggest you choose a custom mfg that is close enough to discuss your demands,visit, and inspect. For me, that would have been coast to coast but unfortunately they were too expensive.


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Old 05/02/2012, 07:00 AM   #71
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Old 05/02/2012, 09:09 AM   #72
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can you replace the front pane? sounds like it will drive you crazy if you set it up like it is.


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Old 05/02/2012, 10:32 AM   #73
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can you replace the front pane? sounds like it will drive you crazy if you set it up like it is.
I'm sure that would be the most extreme option, I'm awaiting a response from Miracles regarding the results of their visit. At this point I am not sure what my rights are. Is this something Miracles should replace? Has anyone else had any experiences with trapped gas dots or "seeds" at the surface that affected viewing quality?


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Old 05/02/2012, 04:27 PM   #74
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Any explanation on how the tank passed inspection before being shipped to you. Just got a quote on a large tank from them.


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Old 05/02/2012, 04:41 PM   #75
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Any explanation on how the tank passed inspection before being shipped to you. Just got a quote on a large tank from them.
The scratchings could have been caused during the crating and shipment.
The trapped gas dot at the surface was not seen.


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