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Old 11/14/2016, 04:11 AM   #176
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first time I've heard of it; I'll look it up. Thanks!


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Old 12/29/2016, 06:01 PM   #177
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First time readying this and awesome work everyone. It will keep me using and leave the Salinity I have left for the QT tank.

My testing results for IO are very similar to the averages and thus i'll stick with it in the future.


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Old 01/02/2017, 05:15 PM   #178
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Why bother?

I find this thread interesting but really unnecessary from my perspective.
I looked over my records for making synthetic sea water and came up with these results.

In the last 5 years I made over 500 batches using over 50 different lots of Instant Ocean salt mix. I am very careful making up the batches. I measure the water density using analytical methods; so, it is always 1.02626 -1.02646 at 25deg. C. approx. 35.0 +/- 0.1 ppt.
I have never checked any parameter in all that time except SG and temperature. I make sure any make up water is within +/- 0.2deg C. of the tank water.

I do 2 x 25% water changes per week on my tanks. I used to check NO4- and NH3 but they were always 0 so now I donít bother.

As far as I know I have never had a bad batch since my anemones are find and I give my excess away.

Why should I be testing my water for anything?

BTW there is one thing that I record and that is the % of salt in the batch. This is the relative amount of mix I have to use to get to 35.0 ppt. This ranged from 84 Ė 88%.


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Old 01/23/2017, 10:00 AM   #179
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BrandDate TakenTempSalinityCalciumAlkalinityMagnesium
Aquaforest Reef5/12/201677F35ppt4758.61590
8/13/201677F35ppt4508.161560
8/19/2016Triton34.64ppt448NA1553
10/12/2016AquaForest33.59ppt437NA1514
10/12/201677F35ppt4408.31530
AVG450.008.351549.40
Aquaforest Sea Salt10/12/2016Triton33.54ppt465NA1532
10/12/2016AquaForest32.84ppt4371482
10/12/201677F35ppt4408.91515
AVG447.338.901509.67
Aquaforest ProBiotic5/14/2016Triton32.63ppt387NA1278
8/19/2016Triton33.97ppt413NA1512
8/19/201677F34.9ppt4207.041485
10/12/2016Triton33.53ppt412NA1516
10/12/2016AquaForest33.52ppt390NA1446
10/12/201677F35ppt4207.31500
AVG407.007.171456.17
Aquatic Gardens9/30/200977F35ppt43081240
AVG430.008.001240.00
Brightwell Neomarine9/30/200977F35ppt370111140
AVG370.0011.001140.00
Coralife9/30/200977F35ppt56091380
6/13/2014NA1.026sg4509.51340
9/8/2016Triton34.25ppt535NA1449
9/8/201677F35ppt5158.961395
10/12/2016AquaForest34.06ppt5408.71354
10/12/201677F35ppt5208.961380
AVG520.009.021383.00
Crystal Sea Marinemix 9/30/200977F35ppt34091050
AVG340.009.001050.00
D-D H2Ocean9/30/200977F35ppt450101380
AVG450.0010.001380.00
E.S.V.1/30/201677F1.026sg45091400
AVG450.009.001400.00
Fritz Pro Reef3/14/201678.91.026sg4408.51500
5/5/201625C 35ppt4308.951410
AVG435.008.731455.00
Instant Ocean9/30/200977F35ppt400111350
1/25/201677.2F35ppt41010.41320
8/24/2016Triton34.07ppt409.4NA1351
3/2/201677F35ppt40510.91275
3/3/201677F35ppt41011.21275
3/3/2016Triton35.67ppt423NA1309
10/12/2016AquaForest33.94ppt41210.41304
10/12/201677F35ppt40510.21320
AVG409.3010.681313.00
hw-Marine Mix Reefer3/14/201678.61.0264408.61380
5/8/201677F1.0264308.61260
5/9/201678F1.0264208.91280
AVG430.008.701306.67
Kent9/30/200977F35ppt540111200
AVG540.0011.001200.00
Kordon Coral Sea3/15/201682F34.5ppt360101200
AVG360.0010.001200.00
Marine Environment9/30/200977F35ppt4807.51450
AVG480.007.501450.00
Oceanic9/30/200977F35ppt5808.51650
AVG580.008.501650.00
OceanPure9/30/200977F35ppt510101320
AVG510.0010.001320.00
Red Sea9/30/200977F35ppt40081300
5/15/2015~20C35ppt4348.81280
11/7/2015~20C35ppt44681288
AVG426.678.271289.33
Red Sea Coral Pro9/30/200977F35ppt47012.51400
5/9/201678F1.026sg48012.321470
8/19/2016Triton33.08ppt441NA1436
8/19/201677F35ppt46012.161440
sleepdoc's10/12/201677F35ppt4508.91350
sleepdoc's10/12/2016AquaForest33.55ppt4409.31340
10/12/201677F35ppt44011.841410
10/12/2016AquaForest34.6ppt4349.51363
AVG451.8810.931401.13
Reef Crystals9/30/200977F35ppt490131440
1/30/201678F35ppt440151240
2/25/20161.027sg45010.31350
3/14/201677F35ppt55011.81560
3/15/201677F35ppt53012.21530
3/22/2016Triton34.99ppt574.6NA1510
10/12/2016AquaForest35.25ppt51710.71378
10/12/201677F35ppt51011.681485
AVG507.7012.101436.63
Reefer's Best9/30/200977F35ppt420111200
AVG420.0011.001200.00
SeaChem aquavitro salinity9/30/200977F35ppt4229.81336
5/29/20151.026sg4309.21225
1/31/201635ppt4358.31310
5/10/201677F35ppt4258.61335
5/20/2016Triton37.18ppt466NA1234
9/20/2016Triton33.05ppt395NA1350
9/20/2016AquaForest35.06ppt410NA1336
9/20/201677F35ppt4208.961335
AVG425.388.971307.63
SeaChem Marine Salt9/30/200977F35ppt500101400
AVG500.0010.001400.00
SeaChem Reef Salt9/30/200977F35ppt540101450
5/9/201678F1.026sg52710.471200
10/12/2016Triton35.39ppt528NA1520
10/12/2016AquaForest33.91ppt504NA1409
10/12/201677F35ppt5208.31515
AVG523.809.591418.80
Triton's Pure Salt10/12/201677F35ppt7050.961620
10/12/2016Triton35.06ppt728NA1663
10/12/2016AquaForest34.45ppt6911.71549
AVG708.001.331610.67
Tropic Marin Pro Reef9/30/200977F35ppt4508.51380
3/22/201677F35ppt44571350
4/9/201677F35ppt4657.31425
4/9/2016Triton34.74ppt475.3NA1442
5/9/201678F1.026sg4706.61350
5/16/2016Triton35.41ppt460.6NA1381
AVG460.987.351388.00
Tunze Reef Salt9/30/200977F35ppt4209.51350
AVG420.009.501350.00



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Old 01/23/2017, 10:40 AM   #180
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I think that will do for now. I have no idea why it keeps all the space above the table.


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Cool! I'll take a look at the formatting.


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The spaces are from the newlines in the table. For whatever reason, the html formatter does not delete them. Thanks for the data!


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Old 01/23/2017, 10:23 PM   #183
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It seems crazy how many salts are not even close to the advertised numbers. RSCP at 9-9.5 alk? AF Reef at 475 calcium and 1600 (!!) mag? Is it really that hard to get these numbers right? Mix the stuff the same amounts each time maybe...?


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Old 01/24/2017, 08:37 PM   #184
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It seems crazy how many salts are not even close to the advertised numbers. RSCP at 9-9.5 alk? AF Reef at 475 calcium and 1600 (!!) mag? Is it really that hard to get these numbers right? Mix the stuff the same amounts each time maybe...?
Keep in mind most salts advertise levels at different salinity levels and usually below 35ppt. When brought up to 35ppt all levels are then elevated equally above the advertised amounts.


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Have you gotten a chance to look t Fritz RPM? Seems many are giving it a try in there systems.


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Re: jason2459 table
I am confused by your table?
Are these your actual test results? because I don't understand what's going on in the temperature column when you list Tritron and Aquaforest.

Also salinity has a lot of weird entries and how was the salinity determined?

Finally the what method was used for determining Ca, Mg and Alk?


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Anything I did I posted my methods at the beginning of this thread. It's detailed and done so I can do the tests the exact same way every time with any salt brand to reduce variables. Temp isn't exactly necessary if using a method that has a functioning ATC and temp is reasonable.

I use a conductivity probe and my veegee refractometer for salinity and Salifert for Ca, Alk, and Mg.

I have been sending all salts I've tested in for ICP-OES analysis as well which is what you see there as listed Triton and AquaForest as temp is well extremely hot. Plasma. Triton also does not provide alkalinity readings so that shows NA.

There are some entries from others and have provided specific gravity of the salt mixed.


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I would love to see some updated numbers for Tunze salt. Looks like it has the best numbers to me.


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So based on the test results is there any salts that look like early winners?

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Well, what kind of parameters are you looking for in a salt. Like some want lower alk and some want a slightly higher alk which will influence dosing or not dosing. Some that dose limewater find that Ca could creep up so would rather have a lower Ca mix. Etc.

For me I have gotten out of it a couple brands I wouldn't use based on results and mixing and a few I wouldn't mind trying. Like I like the parameters of Red Sea regular non-pro. If I wanted a higher Ca mix I'd look at Coralife. But I do not like the few tests from Triton and Aquaforest on the Aquaforest saltmix with really low Sulfate. I didn't like how salinity mixed as the few times I tried it was the only mix that had some kind of undissolved particles on the bottom and not all white. Then personally since I store and use my saltmixes over a long period of time I don't want any that includes organics of any kind like vitamins, aminos, probiotics, etc. Like Reef Crystals. If the cost wasn't so high I do really like the Tropic Marine.

And in the end I'm still liking and happy with basic cheap IO.


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For me my goal would be to keep stable levels close to our slightly above NSW. I only really know about the main 3. All the other trace minerals I don't have an understanding of what I should be looking for. I also store premixed salt so wouldn't want organics in it. Was thinking of trying Aquaforest, not sure if I need Sulphur?

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Additional info. Tank is new sps, dosing kalk, will probably dose 2 part once demand needed.

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I'm not sure what you mean by sulfur. Sulfur is present in seawater as sulfate, and there's a lot of it. It'd take a very bad salt mix to have a problem there. Unfortunately, we do see some bad batches from time to time. Is there a specific problem you're trying to solve?


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For me my goal would be to keep stable levels close to our slightly above NSW. I only really know about the main 3. All the other trace minerals I don't have an understanding of what I should be looking for. I also store premixed salt so wouldn't want organics in it. Was thinking of trying Aquaforest, not sure if I need Sulphur?

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I would not put much emphasis on trying to keep up with trace elements. But Sulfate is a major ion in seawater which some of the Aquaforest mixes tested quite low on.


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I guess I'm just seeing if there's a salt that is easier to mix, reasonably similar in price and at the same time might be better for my tank than IO

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I guess I'm just seeing if there's a salt that is easier to mix, reasonably similar in price and at the same time might be better for my tank than IO

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Plenty of good options. Redsea, Fritz RPM, Tropic Marine, etc. All good salts. Most similar in price to IO would be Coralife from Doctor Foster and Smith that has been only a few dollars more then IO for a 200g box. (you get 4 50g bags per box).

Why do you think IO is not good for your tank?


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I'm not saying it's bad, but if there's something that might be better why not try it out? I'm using IP because that's what everyone was using when I started in the hobby. At lot has changed, we have improved our tanks in many different ways. If there's new information that suggests there's better alternatives than I'd be interested.

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I'm not saying it's bad, but if there's something that might be better why not try it out? I'm using IP because that's what everyone was using when I started in the hobby. At lot has changed, we have improved our tanks in many different ways. If there's new information that suggests there's better alternatives than I'd be interested.

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I guess one thing I've shown in all the testing is that not much has changed in regards to the saltmix parameters from when they were tested back in 2009. The what you can expect average pretty much is what was tested and could be expected back then. But it has been only about 8 years. In the life of a tank to me that's just starting to get mature.

If anything there's been more popularization in the past 5 years or so in not doing water changes or greatly reducing them like the Triton Method or GlennF's dutch synthetic reefing. But that's another topic for another thread which has been hashed out many times over.

I really have no recommendation for a single best salt. I have my preference to what I pick for me but that's it. Pick one close to the parameters you'd want to start with as a baseline and dose up (or down) from there. Or not at all in some cases.

And really I'm sorry I can't help more then that but it really is just personal preference and based on how or what you want to maintain. Many other people though I'm sure will tell you what they believe is the best salt ever which is really not what this thread is about.


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WOW, great thread & thanks for all the hard work! I am about to start a new 105g and want to do SPS. I have been trying to figure out what salt mix to buy and this helps a lot. I've been asking different reefers, that do mostly SPS, what their levels are, so now I have a baseline to pick a salt.

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