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Old 06/08/2016, 10:42 AM   #8451
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I don't know that it matters a ton. Do you only have one light on in that pic? You can't see the LEDs lit up on the board you can see...
Yep, one light was one in that pic as I just got it wired up with the 14-2 extension splice and tested it out.


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Old 06/09/2016, 01:33 AM   #8452
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ok. Here's today's progress:

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The zip tie stitch stresses made the screen bow

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Old 06/09/2016, 01:35 AM   #8453
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here it is running


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Old 06/09/2016, 01:38 AM   #8454
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I took a video since it may be hard to see the water flow in still images



and for those who like more of a walk through "documentary"




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Old 06/09/2016, 10:01 AM   #8455
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Have fun roughing that up man! I'll be glad I'm not you on that day.

I would recommend a light blocker at the top, otherwise I think any growth in the slot is going to push water to the end pipes. Really nice build. Monster. Did you consider the weight factor? that thing is going to grow pounds and pounds of algae....


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Old 06/09/2016, 10:06 AM   #8456
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Very well built scrubber Karim.



I am having a hard time to cut the slit.




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Old 06/09/2016, 03:42 PM   #8457
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Thanks. I have a metal brush wheel on a drill still a pain I know

Good idea on the light blocker!!

PVC is very strong in tension it can probably carry 50lbs

I used a dremmel cutting wheel to cut the grooves.

So. How about the non-uniform flow? I was going to put caps or PVC bottom edge to better guide the flow? I'm also thinking of adding a diffuser plate/pipe in the top pipe?


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Old 06/09/2016, 03:44 PM   #8458
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That looks awesome. I hope it works out after getting weighed down with Algae.


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Old 06/09/2016, 06:50 PM   #8459
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So. How about the non-uniform flow? I was going to put caps or PVC bottom edge to better guide the flow? I'm also thinking of adding a diffuser plate/pipe in the top pipe?
That will likely even out once you rough up the screen and it starts to grow anything. I wouldn't worry about it until you have growth and it's not even.


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Old 06/10/2016, 02:02 AM   #8460
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First Attempts at light (front only first)

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and here's a closeup

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Here's the current bulb ~ 125W CFL 6400K

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HG1IH4M



But I'm switching it over to a 200W CFL 6500K

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01315VOO6



but that requires a mogul to medium adapter.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002UK2O2A

and here's the reflector

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So 125W CFL now going to 200W CFL


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Old 06/10/2016, 02:03 AM   #8461
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I have less room in the back, so I'm going LED strips on a metal back

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NFBG1O0/



The 7020s are ~300mW/LED x 36 LED/strip x 10 strips ~100W


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Old 06/10/2016, 12:31 PM   #8462
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How do you get the screen out of the slot for cleaning?


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Old 06/10/2016, 12:42 PM   #8463
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The PVC pipe separates and the screen slides out of one end.

There's a plastic screw that holds the PVC sections in place when reassembled. You can see it on the top right hand side (over the 1" elbow)

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Here is the mesh sliding in

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Also, the entire assembly is connected with a 1" union. That can be unscrewed directly and the entire assembly (screen and PVC) can be removed. Given the screen size and relative ease of just removing and laying the entire assembly down, I'm going to look at scraping the growth without removing the screen from the PVC. If it's too cumbersome, I unscrew the plastic screw, separate the PVC and pull the screen out.

I am a lazy reefer though. If I can do it with less time and effort, I'll find a way.


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Old 06/10/2016, 12:51 PM   #8464
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I have some concrete left over from my reefscape project. Maybe I'll impregnate mesh with a slurry of concrete. The built in phosphate should get things going fast!


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Old 06/10/2016, 01:48 PM   #8465
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Per Paul's comment on this, I don't think concrete works well, you need mortar.

I recently recorded a video of applying the mortar, I'll try to post it soon. Just one of those things to do...


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Ok. Moment of ignorance: what's the difference between concrete and mortar again?


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Friday night growth pics


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Old 06/11/2016, 09:40 PM   #8468
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ok. today was a lot of work.. and pain...

First, I disassembled the screen again so I can make four modifications:

1. Replace the clips holding the screens with an inner tube to force a more uniform distribution.
2. Plug up the ends of the top tube to avoid the water running down the vertical pipes.
3. Add a lower pipe so I can stretch the mesh to create a more uniform flow.
4. Rough up the mesh.
5. Create a light shield for the top slit to avoid algae growing into it.

Ok.. so here is the mesh removed:

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and here's the screw that holds the frame in place

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Here is the clip holding up the mesh

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This allows the mesh to be pulled out

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I replaced the clips with 1/2" PEX pipe. The idea is that this will force the water to flow further down the 1" PVC before flowing down to the mesh.

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I used epoxy putty to plug up the ends inside the elbows behind the PEX. It's hard to see, but you can see it in the far end of the pipe.

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and here's the view from the 1" union inlet showing the PEX inside the PVC

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and here's the completed PVC frame with the stretched mesh

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I think it's much flatter now

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Great.. now to rough it up

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DISASTER!!!! Oh the drama!

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Ok... every failure is an opportunity to learn, and experiment...

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This gives me a chance to try a different kind of mesh/mesh interface bond. Here's the patch

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Some of you recommended I try fishing line, and since the holes are now offset by half a step, this is a perfect opportunity to try it...

I didn't have mono filament nylon fishing line, so I borrowed my daughter's silicone line. It's like fishing line but it's rubbery and stretchy. She uses it to make jewelry like bracelets and necklaces.

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I was hesitant, but the stretchiness actually makes it easier to tie a knot

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and a little silicone glue

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I liked the silicone line so much I decided to change one of the four corner bonds in the middle of the mesh to see how it compares... experimenting...

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Here's what the other connection looks like for reference

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Now it's time for the light shield. I decided to use 2" PVC with holes and slots cut to cover up the opening.

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and here it is

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and here it is running with water

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The light shield looks ok

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So does the little patch

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but the back impedance from using the PEX pipe instead of the clips is slowing down the flow and increasing the water level in the raised tank.

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and here it is

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and here it is running with water

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The light shield looks ok

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So does the little patch

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but the back impedance from using the PEX pipe instead of the clips is slowing down the flow and increasing the water level in the raised tank.

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Maybe feed the screen from both sides instead of the middle. Was having trouble with flow going evenly over the screen. Now water flows in from both sides.uploadfromtaptalk1465700835153.jpguploadfromtaptalk1465700840779.jpguploadfromtaptalk1465700846074.jpgwas able to get a more even flow.

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I agree. Feeding from both sides would be more controlled. I got it working, so I'm satisfied with it for now.



I'll start on the lights now. I think I'll move the CFL closer ? Still need to migrate to the 200W bulb and get the 100W LED assembled.

I have this temptation to add massive DC fans to blow air against the screen. It just looks like a perfect swamp air conditioner ... The LEDs will need some cooling so I might combine the two. I'll try to resist, but three powerful DC fans in a row would be awesome...

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Old 06/11/2016, 11:43 PM   #8474
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So far an impressive build. I am looking forward to see how it goes. I have had a few failures until what I have , that I am satisfies with.

IMO you need more light, especially spread. Move the lights closer to the screen


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I like to experiment. The plumbing is creating excessive shadowing so I'll move it closer.

I'm looking forward to comparing the front CFL growth and the back LED growth... should be interesting.

I'm also going to turn my tank dark for a few days to see if I can't accelerate the growth on the screen.

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