Reef Central Online Community
Live Aquaria

Home Forum Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences View New Posts View Today's Posts

Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Search Reefkeeping ...an online magazine for marine aquarists Support our sponsors and mention Reef Central

Go Back   Reef Central Online Community > General Interest Forums > New to the Hobby
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read

Notices

User Tag List

Reply
Thread Tools
Old 06/18/2013, 07:09 PM   #876
kered38
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Middle of Illinois
Posts: 12
Okay thanks, I'll pick up prazipro online. The lfs here carries seachem but not prazipro so I figured it would be worth asking.


kered38 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/19/2013, 02:27 AM   #877
G2theRam
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Beaverton OR
Posts: 56
thanks


G2theRam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/20/2013, 01:08 PM   #878
fio1022
Registered Member
 
fio1022's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: NY
Posts: 1,569
I'm thinking about future additions to my reef as it is starting to come alive.
One of my favorite fishes is a green Manderin.I know theycan be s little tricky to get established though.
I read on a post somewhere here on RC, that Manderins don't need to be quarantined.Due to something in their slime coat.
Is this true? If not, do I follow same qt methods for this type of fish?


__________________
its all about time,space,and money

Current Tank Info: 240g,64g acrylic sump/fuge.
fio1022 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06/20/2013, 08:57 PM   #879
bnumair
Dr. Reef at ur service
 
bnumair's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA
Posts: 7,781
Blog Entries: 15
sorry for late response i am in Dallas TX (till Sunday) for next few days but will be answering the forum as i get back in everyday.
Mandarin can get ich.
These fish don't generally get Ich as they secrete an oily substance on their bodies. Their skin type and the oils secreted make them extremely sensitive to many medications.

Problem with qt this type of fish is that most of them dont eat any other food except live pods and without any live rock u cant place any pods in the qt tank plus dumping a large quantity of pods and their water in the qt might cause some cycling issues.
i personally never qt mandarin nor medicated them due to reason stated above.


__________________
Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300

"Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16

Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE
bnumair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/21/2013, 03:40 PM   #880
jfeva0049
Registered Member
 
jfeva0049's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Gilroy, CA
Posts: 477
so its been a lil over a week and my kole still has not eaten in my qt. i have tried flake, sheet algae and blood worms. have not seen him any of it. i hope he does, i would think he would eat whats available before he dies but i don't know for sure i guess.

also i got some API copper tests and i am a lil disappointed in them, way to hard to tell the amount of copper. both .25 and .50 look the same. so i am having a hard time telling the amount of copper and also with the ammonia levels, i have to do WC and that takes the reading and measurements out of whack all over again.

im finding having a QT with meds can be alot of work to maintain.


jfeva0049 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/21/2013, 04:04 PM   #881
scuzy
Registered Member
 
scuzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 6,516
I use cupramine and seachem's Cooper kit. Works the best in a combo. You could try seachems entice additive to the food see if he'll bite


scuzy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06/21/2013, 04:08 PM   #882
scuzy
Registered Member
 
scuzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 6,516
This is how I medicate in qt. I first calculate the copper level I want to run in my qt, for instance for me to get 0.35 in my 40 gallon breeder it takes about 5.33ml of cupramine. Then I would divide that into 4 , so for every 10 gallons I would require 5.33/4 ml of cupramine to retain 0.35. Next calculate the water line needs on your tank for 10 gallon then I would siphon out water to that Mark line.


scuzy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06/21/2013, 04:29 PM   #883
jfeva0049
Registered Member
 
jfeva0049's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Gilroy, CA
Posts: 477
Quote:
Originally Posted by scuzy View Post
This is how I medicate in qt. I first calculate the copper level I want to run in my qt, for instance for me to get 0.35 in my 40 gallon breeder it takes about 5.33ml of cupramine. Then I would divide that into 4 , so for every 10 gallons I would require 5.33/4 ml of cupramine to retain 0.35. Next calculate the water line needs on your tank for 10 gallon then I would siphon out water to that Mark line.
is that where you target level is .35?? should i be trying to get to .5?? thanks.


jfeva0049 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/21/2013, 04:32 PM   #884
scuzy
Registered Member
 
scuzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 6,516
I like to run mine lower I might jump to 0.4 cause ich will die at 0.3-0.4 level according to seachem. Just 0.50 is a sure bet but not all fish can handle it.


scuzy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06/21/2013, 04:32 PM   #885
bnumair
Dr. Reef at ur service
 
bnumair's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA
Posts: 7,781
Blog Entries: 15
seachem recommends 0.5 for 4 weeks. some reefers have reported success at 0.35 as well.


__________________
Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300

"Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16

Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE
bnumair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/21/2013, 04:36 PM   #886
jfeva0049
Registered Member
 
jfeva0049's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Gilroy, CA
Posts: 477
Quote:
Originally Posted by scuzy View Post
I like to run mine lower I might jump to 0.4 cause ich will die at 0.3-0.4 level according to seachem. Just 0.50 is a sure bet but not all fish can handle it.
ok thanks. since mine is a 20 long maybe i can just half your measurements for future. i normally change out 5 gal at a time.


jfeva0049 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/21/2013, 04:55 PM   #887
scuzy
Registered Member
 
scuzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 6,516
It's all math. Calculate to what you want to change out.


scuzy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06/21/2013, 05:04 PM   #888
bnumair
Dr. Reef at ur service
 
bnumair's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA
Posts: 7,781
Blog Entries: 15
whenever u are changing water in a tank that is being treated with copper and u need to calculate how much to dose back to get same strength for treatment.
this is what i normally recommend.
in any size tank do a 25% water change then add back 25% of the medicine's original dose.
example: in ur 20gal tank u do 5gal water change
that is 25% water change (20x25%=5gal)
say u added 40 drops of cupramine originally no add only 25% of it. (40x25%=10 drops)

Note: when ever u redose after water change, math is theoretical. in ur case instead of just putting 10 drops back in i would do 5 and test then increase as u need. key is to test. 0.8 and up levels of copper can create fatal results.


__________________
Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300

"Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16

Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE
bnumair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/21/2013, 06:20 PM   #889
hogfanreefer
Registered Member
 
hogfanreefer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Conway, AR
Posts: 2,117
I've been at hypo for 4 days now. Within 24 hours my sick C. cyanopleura was like a new man. Started eating well and swimming actively. His white spots reduced drastically in the first 24 hours and now appear to be completely gone.

The problem now is he is swimming strangely for the last 36 hours. He swims on his side, upside down and right side up intermittently. He also will swim in tight circles at times. It's almost like his equilibrium is messed up.

He will stop the crazy swimming long enough to eat but then goes right back. He's not laying in his PVC at all except to sleep. The H. claudia that's with him was scratching his gill plate on the PVC but has stopped that completely since getting to hypo. He continues to eat very well and remains as active as ever.

Is this related to the hypo or somehow related to the Ich infection? Ever heard of this type of behavior before? I sure hope he improves.


__________________
DSA 155,Custom Trigger 42" sump/refugium, MP40 X2, MP 10 X 2, AI Hydra 52 X3, Apex controller, Tunze ATO

Current Tank Info: DSA 155 gallon, mixed reef, SPS and wrasse dominant
hogfanreefer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/21/2013, 06:41 PM   #890
bnumair
Dr. Reef at ur service
 
bnumair's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA
Posts: 7,781
Blog Entries: 15
not sure, its surely strange behavior that i am aware of. keep any eye on things if things start going south start raising salinity via water changes. i am not sure if wrasse is handing hypo well or not. some wrasse dont handle hypo as good as others but from i had researched and known ur 2 species should be ok.


__________________
Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300

"Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16

Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE
bnumair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/24/2013, 08:28 PM   #891
Cozwey
Go Canada!!!!
 
Cozwey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Posts: 364
Blog Entries: 1
I just started a new system and am brand new at this. We have 46g bow front with 20g sump. 3 inch of live sand and 45lbs of LR. Nothing has happened to the water levels as of yet. Oh I am using RO/DI of course. Can I really drop a frozen shrimp from the freezer into the water to "kick Start"?


Cozwey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/24/2013, 09:31 PM   #892
bnumair
Dr. Reef at ur service
 
bnumair's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA
Posts: 7,781
Blog Entries: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwey View Post
I just started a new system and am brand new at this. We have 46g bow front with 20g sump. 3 inch of live sand and 45lbs of LR. Nothing has happened to the water levels as of yet. Oh I am using RO/DI of course. Can I really drop a frozen shrimp from the freezer into the water to "kick Start"?
yes u can either drop in a frozen shrimp or ghost feed the tank for few days and check for ammonia after 24 hrs of dropping in. if ur live rock are of very good kind and had enough bacteria on them u might see a small spike of ammonia or none at all.
drop in a shrimp today and check for ammonia in 24 hrs and report back i will guide u from there.


__________________
Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300

"Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16

Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE
bnumair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/24/2013, 09:36 PM   #893
Cozwey
Go Canada!!!!
 
Cozwey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Posts: 364
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks I am heading to the freezer now. I don't have any FF as we felt we were a long way off from food.


Cozwey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/24/2013, 09:48 PM   #894
bnumair
Dr. Reef at ur service
 
bnumair's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA
Posts: 7,781
Blog Entries: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwey View Post
Thanks I am heading to the freezer now. I don't have any FF as we felt we were a long way off from food.
no problem, drop in a shrimp and check for ammonia tomorrow and post the results. leave shrimp in for 2-3 days depending on results tomorrow.


__________________
Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300

"Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16

Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE
bnumair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/24/2013, 09:56 PM   #895
Bellaru
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 53
About to put my first fish into my new tank. I am going to get two clowns from the lfs. Need some help setting up QT tank. I have an old 5gl and a canister filter I used on my old 55gl fresh water setup (rated for 75gls). Will this work or is the tank too small? The tanks the lfs has aren't much bigger for holding the fish now. Room is the issue, but if better i could probably go to a 10gl.
Also, what to treat with and how long? I have read a lot of posts, too the point it's too many opinions.

55gl with 20gl sump/refugium
60lbs pukani live rock
Rock cured for 2 months then tank setup and running or 2 months
Sand, rubble, Cheato, sea lettuce and tons of pods in fuge
Snails ,10 hermits and tons of pods in main tank


Bellaru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/24/2013, 10:07 PM   #896
bnumair
Dr. Reef at ur service
 
bnumair's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA
Posts: 7,781
Blog Entries: 15
5 gal for 2 clowns or some other small fish is ok with canister filter. 10-20 and more like 20 is ideal but if ur not going to get too many fish at a time and all fish are small like clowns u will be just fine. even a bigger fish like a tang or trigger will be fine one at a time.
sure in treatment for those two clowns
i would place them in qt for couple days after acclimation. feed them and make sure they are eating and settled in then u can dose prazi pro. i dose of prazi pro will last 1 week. u can do 2 doses 2 weeks.
once thats over u can just observe of next 4-6 weeks to make sure no disease surfaces.
treat accordingly. after 4-6 weeks no disease then transfer after matching pH salinity and temp between qt and dt.
Good luck and safe reefing.


__________________
Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300

"Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16

Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE
bnumair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/24/2013, 10:31 PM   #897
Bellaru
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 53
Thanks. From your past threads that was about what I gathered.


__________________
55gl with 20gl sump/fuge
9 months old
2 Ocellaris Clownfish, 1 Neon Dotty Back, 2 Cleaner Shrimp, lawn mower blenny
Fox face, Snails , Hermits and tons of pods, corals
Bellaru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/25/2013, 09:32 PM   #898
Cozwey
Go Canada!!!!
 
Cozwey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Posts: 364
Blog Entries: 1
Ok 24hours of a nice big fat shrimp in my tank and I still have zero across the board. pH is at 8.1. I have green hair starting to form on the rock and call me crazy but some of the rock is looking more purplish. Does it turn colour that fast?


Cozwey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/25/2013, 09:35 PM   #899
bnumair
Dr. Reef at ur service
 
bnumair's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA
Posts: 7,781
Blog Entries: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwey View Post
Ok 24hours of a nice big fat shrimp in my tank and I still have zero across the board. pH is at 8.1. I have green hair starting to form on the rock and call me crazy but some of the rock is looking more purplish. Does it turn colour that fast?
did u check nitrates? can u please test if u have the kit and let me know in next few min what ur nitrate levels are?
i have a feeling ur tank is cycled and ready.


__________________
Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300

"Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16

Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE
bnumair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06/25/2013, 10:09 PM   #900
Cozwey
Go Canada!!!!
 
Cozwey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Posts: 364
Blog Entries: 1
Nitrate is still zero. I am using an API kit that tests for the big 4


Cozwey is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:56 PM.


TapaTalk Enabled

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2018 Axivo Inc.
Use of this web site is subject to the terms and conditions described in the user agreement.
Reef CentralTM Reef Central, LLC. Copyright 1999-2014
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.