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Old 04/04/2016, 07:17 PM   #1
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Red bugs worth the trouble?

Just noticed that a couple of my acro's have red bugs. After reading around it seems like it's a very common problem that's difficult to fully solve unless u treat the whole tank which I'm against since I have crabs and shrimps I won't be able to remove. My question for you sps experts is: Is it worth taking the time to remove all the acros and dip them in a seperate tub? I only see red bugs on about 4 acros and they don't seem to be bothering the coral although I would like to see some better growth out of some of them. Plz leave your comments and opinions on if I should try to treat or just leave alone. Thanks in advance!


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Old 04/04/2016, 07:59 PM   #2
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Yes. Treat them.


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Old 04/04/2016, 08:01 PM   #3
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Dosing interceptor was easiest and best thing I have done to my tank. I only dosed a third of a tablet once and it eliminated all of the red bugs. My fire shrimp survived and I only lost one hermit crab. The next day all of my polyp extension improved dramatically.


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Old 04/04/2016, 09:28 PM   #4
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Interceptor is hard to get now, right?


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Old 04/04/2016, 09:50 PM   #5
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Treating the tank helps in the long run. Red bugs will keep polyps from extending. Color then usually suffers. You can order interceptor on line.


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Old 04/05/2016, 02:30 AM   #6
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Or get it from a local vet. It's easy to get again.

Your corals will be better off treated with interceptor. Only one treatment is necessary, they are live bearers. Pods will come back stronger than ever in my experience and quickly. Acros will grow faster and be prettier. Plus you can trade and sell frags. At some point your acros will become weak and the red bugs will start to hurt the color and growth, wether it be a dosing accident or equipment failure. Something will stress them at some point most likely.


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Old 04/05/2016, 03:37 AM   #7
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Ok so i will treat. Now is taking the corals out and dipping them individually a bad option? I would really prefer not to put a dog medicine in my reef. And what are the side effects of putting interceptor in the display, if any?


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Old 04/05/2016, 05:56 AM   #8
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Ok so i will treat. Now is taking the corals out and dipping them individually a bad option? I would really prefer not to put a dog medicine in my reef. And what are the side effects of putting interceptor in the display, if any?
None to corals and fish. Acro crabs dont fair well though. Pods seem to do fine.


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Old 04/05/2016, 08:53 AM   #9
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Dipping corals won't help, there will likely be free floating or bugs moving on rocks. Dipping helps keep the numbers in check when certain colonies are infested. No side affects if done right. Pods don't die off like people often say they do. Mine actually blow up in population a week or so after. It won't hurt anything but crustrations, shrimp, crabs, ect... Watch parameters in the following weeks. Dosing may need to be increased as well.


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Old 04/05/2016, 01:44 PM   #10
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Everything piper said^^^^^

I used Dr. G's coral dip in my tank as it uses the same ingredient in interceptor. It is a liquid in a bottle and one capful for a period of 3 hours and ALL red bugs were gone. I have crazy polyp extension ever since. Three 10 percent water changes and your tank is back to normal. I cant recommend it enough....it also kills aefw per the bottle.


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Old 04/05/2016, 06:02 PM   #11
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Everything piper said^^^^^

I used Dr. G's coral dip in my tank as it uses the same ingredient in interceptor. It is a liquid in a bottle and one capful for a period of 3 hours and ALL red bugs were gone. I have crazy polyp extension ever since. Three 10 percent water changes and your tank is back to normal. I cant recommend it enough....it also kills aefw per the bottle.
Am I understanding you right? You dosed the tank with the Dr G's coral dip?


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Old 04/05/2016, 07:06 PM   #12
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Affirmative! They use the same ingredient. It works great and you have 98 percent of the bottle left over for dipping corals or if you were infested again. Pods,crabs were fine. PA has it....i think $15 a bottle


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Old 04/05/2016, 07:19 PM   #13
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How much water volume for that one capful, out does it matter?


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Old 04/05/2016, 07:29 PM   #14
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I checked out Dr. G's dip on PA. Just to be clear, at 4 places on the page, it states product is not for tank dosing, as "it may affect and may kill Invertebrates, Clams, Snails, Crabs, Fish, Shrimp and Copepod populations". That said, it does use the same active ingredient as Interceptor (milbemycin oxime), plus vitamin C, so it should be safe with the usual concern for arthropods.

On two occasions I have tank dosed Interceptor with great success and no visible affect on anything except arthropods. The first time I QT my crabs and shrimp. The second time I did not and while some arthropods survived, it was obvious to me that there's a negative impact, as some died and others became very lethargic.


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Old 04/05/2016, 08:18 PM   #15
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It's always something in this hobby. When you think you have your tank going good something manages to pop up. And maybe that's what keeps it so interesting and manages to always bring us back for more. I definitely have learned my lesson about not having a good quarantine for new corals. Normally I dip all new corals in Coral Rx before I place them in the tank but have been lazy and skipped out on a few. Sometimes it takes a mistake to learn the way in this hobby.


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Old 04/05/2016, 08:54 PM   #16
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Tell me about it.. I been reefing since 2004 and never had a pest ( that I knew of ) and now I have been dipping for aefw and looks like I might have red bugs also. When it rains it pours


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Interceptor has the same warning from the guy who discovered its effectiveness. I used one capful per 20 gallons and it was extremely effective.


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Old 04/06/2016, 06:03 AM   #18
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I had red bugs a few years ago. They were only on 2 colony. Since they are a parasite they are typically only on food source. I'm sure they migrate to find other sources but the only acros they seemed to like was my bonsai and Hawkins. I was in the same boat as you. I didn't want to fish out 50 hermits, etc etc. the right way is to dose the whole tank I agree with the others. But I wanted to try dipping affected colony's first. It worked. 3 dips gone. I still keep both corals around as canary. Maybe I got lucky. Maybe I caught them early. Maybe trace amounts got in water and killed them off. Who knows but it worked for me. I used interceptor flavor tabs.


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Old 04/06/2016, 01:08 PM   #19
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I had red bugs a few years ago. They were only on 2 colony. Since they are a parasite they are typically only on food source. I'm sure they migrate to find other sources but the only acros they seemed to like was my bonsai and Hawkins. I was in the same boat as you. I didn't want to fish out 50 hermits, etc etc. the right way is to dose the whole tank I agree with the others. But I wanted to try dipping affected colony's first. It worked. 3 dips gone. I still keep both corals around as canary. Maybe I got lucky. Maybe I caught them early. Maybe trace amounts got in water and killed them off. Who knows but it worked for me. I used interceptor flavor tabs.
Interesting...maybe I can try dipping the infected pieces first before I treat the tank. I understand treating the tanks a much safer option in terms of red bugs being eliminated. Although I'm really not sure I can fish out all my sensitive invests.


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Old 04/06/2016, 07:57 PM   #20
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NaturalReef how did you come up with the 1 capful per 20 gallons? Checking the website says 1 8oz bottle makes just over 2.5 gallons of dip


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Old 04/07/2016, 02:58 PM   #21
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No scientific method, i just wanted to start low to prevent any adverse reactions. I could always add more if needed. 3 hours later, all red bugs were dead. 8oz bottle makes 2.5 gallons of dip, not that it treats 2.5 gallons if thats where the question was going. I have a whole bottle left over for any future uses. All my sps showed crazy polyp extension during treatment and my tank was extremely happy after the treatment. Try it, it will work. Hope that helps.


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Old 04/07/2016, 03:11 PM   #22
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I will be trying tomorrow night when my dr g's arrives


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Old 04/07/2016, 04:02 PM   #23
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Old 04/07/2016, 05:31 PM   #24
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I will be trying tomorrow night when my dr g's arrives
Yes please keep us posted as I might have to use that treatment as well.


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Old 04/08/2016, 02:34 AM   #25
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Why can't you guys be safe and use interceptor? Who knows what else is in that coral dip, does it smell funny like revive or coral Rx?


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