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Old 07/10/2017, 08:52 AM   #1
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overrun with algae success stories?

Does anyone have any inspirational success stories where their tank was completely overrun with algae and they were able to bring it back without breaking it down? I've heard its possible, but was hoping to see hear some first-hand experience and possibly before/after pics.


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Old 07/10/2017, 09:08 AM   #2
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Before:

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I used LaCl and crashed the algae that created a Dino infestation. Cleared that with UV and an algae scrubber... several scrubbers:

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To get to this:

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Old 07/10/2017, 09:24 AM   #3
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I wouldn't say mine was completely overrun, but it did get it pretty bad. Lots of large bunches that I was pruning probably once a week. Nitrate has generally been low running biopellets, but I typically didn't use anything specifically for phosphate removal.

I finally bought a small reactor and stared running gfo (Phosfiltrum) in it. It slowly started receding and after a few months, it was pretty much non-existent and has been for roughly 9 months. It's definitely beatable, it just takes some time and patience, IME/IMO. (I didn't really change anything with my lighting either.) I don't have any before pictures with the algae, but here's a shot from about a month ago:





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Old 07/10/2017, 09:38 AM   #4
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Before:

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I used LaCl and crashed the algae that created a Dino infestation. Cleared that with UV and an algae scrubber... several scrubbers:

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To get to this:

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Wow! Did you just get some bad rock or what? I'm assuming you were using RO/DI water correct?


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Old 07/10/2017, 09:39 AM   #5
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Whatever you do, do it slowly, rapid changes are never good.


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Old 07/10/2017, 10:13 AM   #6
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I made my own concrete rock and used crushed oysters. I expected the algae and have learned to use it to my advantage now. Algae is really our friend, not the enemy. It acts as a safe zone for pods and worms to grow. It removes inorganic phosphate and nitrate... it's great stuff all around. We think that we hate algae but we really don't. We hate algae's LOCATION. It's a zoning issue. Just need to learn to rezone.


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Also, I now recycle my algae back as food into my DT... the fish create ribbons of algae poop that get swarmed by worms, pods, shrimp and cucumbers... and make coral food ... or go to make more algae. Closed loop


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I used LaCl and crashed the algae that created a Dino infestation. Cleared that with UV and an algae scrubber... several scrubbers:
Amazing recovery! Thanks for sharing!


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Old 07/10/2017, 02:54 PM   #9
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There is NEVER a reason you must tear down a tank to recover.. it might be easier to do so but there is NOTHING you can't combat with time/patience/knowledge,etc....


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Well... dinos have taken down quite a few valiant reef warriors.. but most things are survivable (struggling with "never")


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Old 07/10/2017, 06:12 PM   #11
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Bryopsis for me well before people used Tech M. I manually removed it for years - it was as good as chaeto. Then, when my turbo snails got hungry enough, they finished it off. In another FOWLR tank, it was everywhere but I did not care... I got donated a Magnificent Foxface that was eating LPS and it at every last bit of it in about a week.


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Old 07/10/2017, 06:13 PM   #12
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There is NEVER a reason you must tear down a tank to recover.. it might be easier to do so but there is NOTHING you can't combat with time/patience/knowledge,etc....


Yeah I suppose it's a personal decision. I don't think I could battle algae for 1+ years not happy with how the tank looks.


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Old 07/10/2017, 07:12 PM   #13
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What is LaCl?


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Old 07/10/2017, 11:21 PM   #14
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Lanthanum Chloride


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Old 07/10/2017, 11:28 PM   #15
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I made my own concrete rock and used crushed oysters. I expected the algae and have learned to use it to my advantage now. Algae is really our friend, not the enemy. It acts as a safe zone for pods and worms to grow. It removes inorganic phosphate and nitrate... it's great stuff all around. We think that we hate algae but we really don't. We hate algae's LOCATION. It's a zoning issue. Just need to learn to rezone.
I like this outlook.


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Yeah I suppose it's a personal decision. I don't think I could battle algae for 1+ years not happy with how the tank looks.
But if you don't take the time to understand the why/what,etc.. its more than likely just going to happen again after you break it all down and start agin..
Do you have another thread about your specific situation with Pics/nitrate/phosphate levels/thinks you've tried,etc...?


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Old 07/11/2017, 01:23 PM   #17
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I kept a 4' Gymnothorax Undulatus (Undulated Moray) in a 150g tank with 50g sump for years. Because of the large amount of food he required and the large amount of waste that was the result, Nitrates and Phosphates were always a huge problem. You have not seen hair algae like I had. I would periodically take out the rocks and scrub them down with a stiff brush to remove it but it would always return. With frequent very large water changes (50g/week, week after week) I could keep the nitrates at the barely readable level (at the top end of the chart that is) and phosphates were always a deep blue. It truly as a (nearly) impossible situation. Then came the internet. I learned about the benefits of a remote deep sand bed (RDSB) and figured I had nothing to lose. I also had a spare 120g tank that I could set up as a refugium/RDSB. It took over #300 of sugar fine aragonite to get the 6"+ that I was after. The first couple weeks it didn't seem to do a thing. Then it came alive. At about the 6 week period, nitrates and phosphates began to drop, even without water changes. At the 3 month mark, Nitrates and phosphates were down to the barely detectable level even going as long a 2 months without a water change, and there they stayed. The ONLY change I had made was adding the RDSB and then letting it do it's thing.

I ended up having the eel for 25 years. I just wish I would have found out about the virtues of the RDSB sooner.


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Bryopsis and cyano...
Reduced nutrients with bio pellets and gfo and then went to town with h2o2... removed and soaked every rock without coral attached and spot treated those with corals.

Fish and corals unharmed

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Ugh cyano is annoying when it gets bad.

Learning that algae can occur when nitrates read 0 primarily because of the nitrates uptake by the algae and the phosphates was a hard lesson for me. I purchased a better light for my refugium and am waiting on the progress report for that.

Karimwassef has a great story. You can follow it in the algae scrubber thread.


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I had derbesia covering basically all my rocks for about ~4 months. No amount of pruning ever worked, it would always grow back. It could outcompete anything in my fuge (though I was considering a ATS at that time). Then I decided to dose Fluconazole and all the derbesia died within 3 weeks and hasn't come back (this was ~7 months ago). Nothing else was harmed. Really the whole thing worked so amazingly it is hard to fathom.

Highly highly recommend Fluconazole if you are dealing with derbesia or bryopsis. (relevant thread)

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Had a massive outbreak years ago in my FOWLR. I upgraded my skimmer, used lots of GFO and many water changes with good RODI water. Inbetween water changes I removed as much as I could manually. Eventually, the algae starved.

What didn't work: more flow, new lightbulbs, snails, crabs, tangs, foxface.


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I had derbesia covering basically all my rocks for about ~4 months. No amount of pruning ever worked, it would always grow back. It could outcompete anything in my fuge (though I was considering a ATS at that time). Then I decided to dose Fluconazole and all the derbesia died within 3 weeks and hasn't come back (this was ~7 months ago). Nothing else was harmed. Really the whole thing worked so amazingly it is hard to fathom.

Highly highly recommend Fluconazole if you are dealing with derbesia or bryopsis. (relevant thread)

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I don't know how fluc would work other than the complex food webs in reef ecology could create some strange linkages between different organisms.


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Old 07/19/2017, 05:42 AM   #24
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No pics as hated my tanks when going through it.
My 125 was totally infested with GHA.
It took about 3 months of weekly pulling, toothbrushing each rock, vacuuming and skimming, along with monthly 3 day lights out. But persistencee paid off and I now love my reef.
When my FOWLR was new, I let the GHA grow for the tangs and angels, who decided frozen was tastier. That tank just needed lights out. Since there was no coral, I left them off for a week, then did the toothbrush and vacuuming routine.
If you like your aquascape and setup, just be diligent. It can be done.
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Yep I had hair algae bad and used fluconaze and it worked amazing. not one trace of algae back since treatment.


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