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Old 12/11/2008, 11:40 AM   #26
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Interesting theory. I have no idea. I think a scientist or biology major with some experience dissecting fish would need to chime in to confirm that.


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Old 12/11/2008, 11:41 AM   #27
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Wow, I was thinking tumor too when I saw your posts showing it growing. It's really disturbing, seeing that slimy round thing that fell off. Hope the fish stays healthy now that it's gone.


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Old 12/11/2008, 11:43 AM   #28
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tufacody,

+1 That's exactly what I thought. I have removed egg masses from other female fish that did the same thing - broke right through the body wall. It is almost like the egg mass had turned to amber. The only problem is that the masses that I've seen before had all been a bit further back on the fish's body, but not all that much. Everything else is nearly identical, down to the way the lesion first starts up. Perhaps in this clownfish, there was some physical reason why the egg mass was pushed forward? If it was a tumor, you'd expect to see some vascularization involved. It isn't a parasite, but it could *possibly* be a sterile abscess of some sort - did you try cutting the mass open?


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ahh, I do need to add that this has always been fatal to the fish I've seen it in.


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Old 12/11/2008, 11:53 AM   #29
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I have the tumor/egg mass in a baggie just in case I needed it for further examination. Although, it is starting to dry out as I didn't put any water inside. I will cut it open when I get home. Anything in particular I'm looking for or will notice?

Thanks for chiming in with your knowledge Jay.


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Old 12/11/2008, 12:02 PM   #30
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Look for blood vessels inside - that would indicate a tumor to me. Using a magnifying glass, look at the tissue and see if it shows any hint of eggs, or shapes of eggs stuck together. Remember that eggs start off small inside the female, so don't expect the eggs to be the size they are when they are laid. The "nose test" might tell you if the mass is a bacterial abscess or not.

I've never actually seen this in clownfish, but I have seen it in Banggai cardinalfish and Haplochromis cichlids.


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Old 12/11/2008, 03:10 PM   #31
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I'd like to know what you find, too. Really bizarre in the worst of ways. I hope she recovers and that doesn't happen again.


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Old 12/12/2008, 11:21 AM   #32
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any update on this??


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Old 12/12/2008, 12:49 PM   #33
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interesting thread......... bumps for the update.........


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Old 12/12/2008, 01:05 PM   #34
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I was just about to go eat lunch...but now I think maybe I'll wait a while...


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Old 12/12/2008, 10:58 PM   #35
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Sorry about ruining your lunch. I know the feeling.

Here's the update I've been promising and you've been asking for.

She is still okay in her container. She is still eating some. The hole is closed up with the flake looking bacteria. It's not as bad as it was in the past pictures but it's starting to protrude/bulge beyond her scales.

Here's a picture of the tumor or eggs (not sure) cut in half. Chocolate brownies for anyone? I didn't see anything that resembled eggs but I'm not sure what the early stage of eggs clustered together would look like. I'll have to find a magnifying glass or buy one tomorrow. Maybe one of you will recognize something I do not.




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Old 12/13/2008, 05:49 PM   #36
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Unfortunately late last night she wasn't doing well. She lied on her side. Her conditions gradually got worse within 12 hours time and she has now passed.

I figured this would happen so it didn't come to a surprise.

Thanks for everyone's participation and help diagnosing. If you have any other information you are still welcome to reply.

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Old 12/13/2008, 07:38 PM   #37
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I am so sorry I certainly wished I could have helped you.


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Old 12/13/2008, 07:52 PM   #38
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Not eggs for sure it looks to be some type of tumor. I have never seen the egg mass get so close to her stomach. Really could have been a birth defect all along and it just showed it's self now. Because the clowns eggs are general held and made towards the center of the body it probably was not that. I am sorry for your loss, was she aquacultured or wild caught?


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Old 12/13/2008, 08:00 PM   #39
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Ahhh - Sorry that the fish didn't make it.

That sure does look like an ovary filled with "amberized" eggs to me. I don't see any signs of bacterial infection, nor any blood vessels that might indicate a tumor. I do see *many* tiny dots that are probably unreleased eggs. The color seems right as well. FWIW: as far as I know, there is absolutely nothing you could have done for this fish. A veterinarian might have adminstered an injection of oxytocin to help the fish to try to expell the eggs - but while that may work with mammals, it has no real history of working with fish.

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Old 12/13/2008, 08:25 PM   #40
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Awe shucks... sorry to hear it. I have been following this thread and was hoping for the best. You did all you could.


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Old 12/13/2008, 11:59 PM   #41
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Looks like the color and consistency of eggs to me too. Sorry for your loss. Tough to lose a pet.


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Old 12/14/2008, 10:41 AM   #42
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Sorry to see her die . You really did the best you could at helping her along the way. Quite an informational thread so thank you very much for sharing and keeping us posted through all of this. Bummer it didn't turn out better.


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Old 12/14/2008, 05:01 PM   #43
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So sorry to hear that she's passed...as everyone else has said, you did everything you could.


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Old 12/14/2008, 08:29 PM   #44
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Thanks for the kind words guys. I thought I really did go out of my way to help her other than taking her to a vet like someone said. Probably not worth making a $30 fish a $100+ after the vet bill.

As far as what it is I'm not sure as I haven't got the magnifying glass yet. But from above one person said tumor and two say ovary with eggs.

The best of luck if anyone else has this problem with their clown or any other fish.


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Old 10/01/2018, 09:11 PM   #45
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I am having this problem as we speak. Has anybody ever figured out what it was?


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Old 10/02/2018, 07:43 AM   #46
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well prepare to lose the fish unfortunately


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Old 10/02/2018, 08:32 AM   #47
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I had something similar with a flame angel though it was much smaller. I scraped it off with a scalpel down to healthy tissue. It wasn’t too deep on mine. She healed up fine and is still with me today. Doesn’t even have a scar. On my flame it was about the size of a pea sliced in half. May be worth a shot since the alternative seems to be pretty certain death.


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