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Old 12/30/2010, 07:49 AM   #101
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Just remember to take the temperature into account when you are mixing the salt. I do the samething with not heating the water and doing a slow drip in with the changes, but have already calibrated the amount of salt to put in to water and just repeat.
Is there a formula or table that shows the relationship between temperature and salinity?


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Old 12/30/2010, 08:41 AM   #102
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Is there a formula or table that shows the relationship between temperature and salinity?

I grabbed this from some other forum, so I have no idea if it is accurate or not. I am sure you can search around though for it.

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xx 59.00F 60.00F 68.00F 69.80F 71.60F 73.40F 75.20F 77.00F 78.80F 80.60F 82.00F 84.20F 86.00F

20 1.0145 1.0144 1.0134 1.0132 1.0130 1.0127 1.0124 1.0121 1.0118 1.0115 1.0112 1.0109 1.0106
21 1.0153 1.0152 1.0142 1.0140 1.0137 1.0135 1.0132 1.0129 1.0126 1.0123 1.0120 1.0116 1.0113
22 1.0160 1.0159 1.0150 1.0147 1.0144 1.0142 1.0139 1.0137 1.0134 1.0130 1.0127 1.0124 1.0120
23 1.0168 1.0167 1.0157 1.0155 1.0152 1.0150 1.0147 1.0144 1.0141 1.0138 1.0135 1.0132 1.0128
24 1.0175 1.0174 1.0164 1.0162 1.0160 1.0156 1.0154 1.0151 1.0148 1.0145 1.0142 1.0139 1.0135
25 1.0183 1.0182 1.0172 1.0170 1.0167 1.0165 1.0162 1.0159 1.0156 1.0153 1.0150 1.0146 1.0143
26 1.0191 1.0189 1.0180 1.0176 1.0174 1.0172 1.0169 1.0166 1.0163 1.0160 1.0157 1.0154 1.0150
27 1.0198 1.0197 1.0187 1.0185 1.0182 1.0180 1.0176 1.0174 1.0171 1.0168 1.0165 1.0162 1.0158
28 1.0206 1.0204 1.0195 1.0192 1.0189 1.0186 1.0184 1.0182 1.0179 1.0175 1.0172 1.0168 1.0165
29 1.0214 1.0212 1.0202 1.0200 1.0197 1.0195 1.0192 1.0189 1.0186 1.0183 1.0180 1.0175 1.0172
30 1.0222 1.0220 1.0210 1.0208 1.0205 1.0202 1.0199 1.0196 1.0193 1.0190 1.0187 1.0184 1.0180
31 1.0229 1.0227 1.0217 1.0215 1.0212 1.0209 1.0207 1.0204 1.0201 1.0198 1.0195 1.0192 1.0188
32 1.0237 1.0235 1.0225 1.0222 1.0219 1.0217 1.0214 1.0211 1.0208 1.0205 1.0202 1.0198 1.0195
33 1.0245 1.0243 1.0232 1.0230 1.0227 1.0225 1.0221 1.0218 1.0215 1.0212 1.0209 1.0205 1.0202
34 1.0252 1.0251 1.0240 1.0238 1.0235 1.0232 1.0229 1.0226 1.0223 1.0220 1.0217 1.0214 1.0210
35 1.0260 1.0258 1.0248 1.0245 1.0242 1.0240 1.0237 1.0234 1.0231 1.0228 1.0225 1.0221 1.0218
36 1.0268 1.0266 1.0255 1.0253 1.0250 1.0247 1.0245 1.0242 1.0238 1.0235 1.0232 1.0228 1.0225
37 1.0275 1.0273 1.0263 1.0260 1.0258 1.0255 1.0252 1.0249 1.0245 1.0242 1.0239 1.0236 1.0232
38 1.0283 1.0281 1.0271 1.0268 1.0265 1.0262 1.0259 1.0256 1.0253 1.0250 1.0247 1.0244 1.0240
39 1.0291 1.0289 1.0278 1.0275 1.0273 1.0270 1.0267 1.0264 1.0261 1.0258 1.0255 1.0251 1.0248
40 1.0299 1.0297 1.0286 1.0284 1.0281 1.0278 1.0274 1.0271 1.0268 1.0265 1.0262 1.0258 1.0255


It is probably more important to figure out what the right amount is for your containers and then just be consistant with it. I rarely check the change tank because I know how much should be in there per the qty of water. I check the main tank afterwards to make sure nothing got screwed up, but so far it has been working great.


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Old 12/30/2010, 10:46 AM   #103
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Is there a downfall to using tanks to hold and mix water? Thats how I do it, but it seems like this is taboo at least in this thread?


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Old 12/30/2010, 11:20 AM   #104
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Is there a downfall to using tanks to hold and mix water? Thats how I do it, but it seems like this is taboo at least in this thread?
Tanks are great. But Brute cans are cheaper per gallon and have a smaller footprint. Plus, the tanks can be used for more important stuff, like frag tanks, grow out systems, sumps, etc.

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Old 12/30/2010, 11:20 AM   #105
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I grabbed this from some other forum, so I have no idea if it is accurate or not. I am sure you can search around though for it.

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xx 59.00F 60.00F 68.00F 69.80F 71.60F 73.40F 75.20F 77.00F 78.80F 80.60F 82.00F 84.20F 86.00F

20 1.0145 1.0144 1.0134 1.0132 1.0130 1.0127 1.0124 1.0121 1.0118 1.0115 1.0112 1.0109 1.0106
21 1.0153 1.0152 1.0142 1.0140 1.0137 1.0135 1.0132 1.0129 1.0126 1.0123 1.0120 1.0116 1.0113
22 1.0160 1.0159 1.0150 1.0147 1.0144 1.0142 1.0139 1.0137 1.0134 1.0130 1.0127 1.0124 1.0120
23 1.0168 1.0167 1.0157 1.0155 1.0152 1.0150 1.0147 1.0144 1.0141 1.0138 1.0135 1.0132 1.0128
24 1.0175 1.0174 1.0164 1.0162 1.0160 1.0156 1.0154 1.0151 1.0148 1.0145 1.0142 1.0139 1.0135
25 1.0183 1.0182 1.0172 1.0170 1.0167 1.0165 1.0162 1.0159 1.0156 1.0153 1.0150 1.0146 1.0143
26 1.0191 1.0189 1.0180 1.0176 1.0174 1.0172 1.0169 1.0166 1.0163 1.0160 1.0157 1.0154 1.0150
27 1.0198 1.0197 1.0187 1.0185 1.0182 1.0180 1.0176 1.0174 1.0171 1.0168 1.0165 1.0162 1.0158
28 1.0206 1.0204 1.0195 1.0192 1.0189 1.0186 1.0184 1.0182 1.0179 1.0175 1.0172 1.0168 1.0165
29 1.0214 1.0212 1.0202 1.0200 1.0197 1.0195 1.0192 1.0189 1.0186 1.0183 1.0180 1.0175 1.0172
30 1.0222 1.0220 1.0210 1.0208 1.0205 1.0202 1.0199 1.0196 1.0193 1.0190 1.0187 1.0184 1.0180
31 1.0229 1.0227 1.0217 1.0215 1.0212 1.0209 1.0207 1.0204 1.0201 1.0198 1.0195 1.0192 1.0188
32 1.0237 1.0235 1.0225 1.0222 1.0219 1.0217 1.0214 1.0211 1.0208 1.0205 1.0202 1.0198 1.0195
33 1.0245 1.0243 1.0232 1.0230 1.0227 1.0225 1.0221 1.0218 1.0215 1.0212 1.0209 1.0205 1.0202
34 1.0252 1.0251 1.0240 1.0238 1.0235 1.0232 1.0229 1.0226 1.0223 1.0220 1.0217 1.0214 1.0210
35 1.0260 1.0258 1.0248 1.0245 1.0242 1.0240 1.0237 1.0234 1.0231 1.0228 1.0225 1.0221 1.0218
36 1.0268 1.0266 1.0255 1.0253 1.0250 1.0247 1.0245 1.0242 1.0238 1.0235 1.0232 1.0228 1.0225
37 1.0275 1.0273 1.0263 1.0260 1.0258 1.0255 1.0252 1.0249 1.0245 1.0242 1.0239 1.0236 1.0232
38 1.0283 1.0281 1.0271 1.0268 1.0265 1.0262 1.0259 1.0256 1.0253 1.0250 1.0247 1.0244 1.0240
39 1.0291 1.0289 1.0278 1.0275 1.0273 1.0270 1.0267 1.0264 1.0261 1.0258 1.0255 1.0251 1.0248
40 1.0299 1.0297 1.0286 1.0284 1.0281 1.0278 1.0274 1.0271 1.0268 1.0265 1.0262 1.0258 1.0255


It is probably more important to figure out what the right amount is for your containers and then just be consistant with it. I rarely check the change tank because I know how much should be in there per the qty of water. I check the main tank afterwards to make sure nothing got screwed up, but so far it has been working great.

OK, probably a really stupid question, but aren't most refractometers supposed to take the water temperature into consideration? If so wouldn't that mean that you would just mix to whatever salinity you are wanting rather than trying to mix to a different salinity based upon the water temperature?


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Old 12/30/2010, 11:29 AM   #106
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I would keep your mixing station covered to minimize salinity changes. Right now I'm still making NSW in a bucket, and if I leave it uncovered while circulating and heating it for more than a day or so, there's a significant amount of evaporation. The fact that the water is heated, it's winter, and it's in my basement probably doesn't help any.


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Old 12/30/2010, 08:28 PM   #107
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Is there a downfall to using tanks to hold and mix water? Thats how I do it, but it seems like this is taboo at least in this thread?
Trashcans are more commonly available and cheaper. But if you have the empty tanks around, why not?


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I am fixing to make a new system, but I never hard plumbed my barrels together because of the slime buildup and would take them out so I could clean them. Anybody else seeing this or you don't worry about it?


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I plan to have a 2 Brute setup with a pump used to transfer water and mix the SW similar to a few of the posts. My question is how to plumb the SW pipes to get a good mixing inside the SW container. For the pipe that goes in near the top of the can, how should it be plumbed on the inside of the can? A pipe down to near the bottom? Just a 45 on the inside pointed at the side a little?


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Old 01/02/2011, 04:48 PM   #110
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just finished mine

wife wanted it nice and neat.

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[QUOTE=jkienzpac;18128026]wife wanted it nice and neat.

You Sir are a very dirty man for showing us those sexy pictures, shame on you


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Very nice, I like how clean everything looks.


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I am fixing to make a new system, but I never hard plumbed my barrels together because of the slime buildup and would take them out so I could clean them. Anybody else seeing this or you don't worry about it?
I don't get slime with RO/DI water. But I also don't plumb them together and do take them out for routine cleaning.

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I don't get slime with RO/DI water. But I also don't plumb them together and do take them out for routine cleaning.

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Yes that was my concern was that if I plumb them together that it would make it hard to clean, but it actual the saltwater mix that gets a little ugly looking and not the RO water barrel. Anybody else seeing this?


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I plan to have a 2 Brute setup with a pump used to transfer water and mix the SW similar to a few of the posts. My question is how to plumb the SW pipes to get a good mixing inside the SW container. For the pipe that goes in near the top of the can, how should it be plumbed on the inside of the can? A pipe down to near the bottom? Just a 45 on the inside pointed at the side a little?
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...the saltwater mix that gets a little ugly looking and not the RO water barrel. Anybody else seeing this?
Instant Ocean Reef Crystals leaves a brown residue in the Brute can, this does need to be cleaned. It doesn't seem "slimy" to me though.

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My pipe going into the tank goes down about 3/4 and I use a 90 elbow pointed at the wall but not straight at it. This keeps the water turing.


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My pipe going into the tank goes down about 3/4 and I use a 90 elbow pointed at the wall but not straight at it. This keeps the water turing.



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This was my old setup.

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jkienzpac very nice!


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This is the begining of my continuous 90% automated water change system. Its going to service a 1000g system when everything is said and done. I say 90% because we haven't sorted out a salt delivery system beyond pouring the salt in manually.

I'm using a leg tank purchased locally, I think its 120g


Its mounted on a shelf in my fish room. RO water comes in and fills the leg tank where its heated and salt is added. Salt water is then pumped into a 10g tank situated under my display (on the other side of my fish room), and then 10g is pumped out of the display into the drain, and the fresh 10g is added.


Ideally we wanted something that would automatically add salt and measure for salinity to one of the 10g tanks, however I've had no luck sourcing anything that wouldn't be immediately corroded. I have however left ample access and opportunity for the system to be redesigned in the future if parts become available.



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Old 01/05/2011, 01:46 PM   #124
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Great thread. Ordered my flat bottom tanks from Plastic-Mart after reading this thread. Jerry.


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Its mounted on a shelf in my fish room. RO water comes in and fills the leg tank where its heated and salt is added. Salt water is then pumped into a 10g tank situated under my display (on the other side of my fish room), and then 10g is pumped out of the display into the drain, and the fresh 10g is added.


Ideally we wanted something that would automatically add salt and measure for salinity to one of the 10g tanks, however I've had no luck sourcing anything that wouldn't be immediately corroded. I have however left ample access and opportunity for the system to be redesigned in the future if parts become available.[/QUOTE]

What are you using to heat the water? Good looking tank btw



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